{"id":65227,"date":"2025-06-10T09:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-06-10T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/?p=65227"},"modified":"2025-06-08T21:47:07","modified_gmt":"2025-06-08T19:47:07","slug":"la-messe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/2025\/06\/10\/la-messe\/","title":{"rendered":"La messe"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"is-style-lead has-sm-light-secondary-background-color has-background\">Dimanche, 10&nbsp;h&nbsp;20&nbsp;: irai-je \u00e0 la messe aujourd\u2019hui et o\u00f9&nbsp;? Regarderai-je l\u2019office \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision&nbsp;? Participerai-je \u00e0 la c\u00e9l\u00e9bration de Saint-Merry Hors-les-Murs&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Les cloches de ma petite ville sonnent. \u00c0 200 m de chez moi, il y a messe \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9glise paroissiale. Allons-y pour profiter de cette proximit\u00e9. Je m\u2019installe pr\u00e8s d\u2019un haut-parleur car mon audition d\u2019homme \u00e2g\u00e9 laisse \u00e0 d\u00e9sirer. Et tout de suite, j\u2019entends de la th\u00e9ologie\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0Au nom du P\u00e8re, du fils et du Saint Esprit\u00a0\u00bb. Le dogme de la Trinit\u00e9. De quand date-t-il ? <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_1');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_1');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_1\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">[1]<\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_1\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">381, concile de Constantinople.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top center', relative: true, offset: [-7, 0], });<\/script><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Les pri\u00e8res commencent mais moi, je regarde les magnifiques vitraux du XV<sup>e<\/sup> si\u00e8cle. Des g\u00e9n\u00e9rations de chr\u00e9tiens sont venues dans cette \u00e9glise o\u00f9 La Fontaine s\u2019est mari\u00e9 en 1647. On a tout dit des errements des \u00e9glises chr\u00e9tiennes au fil des si\u00e8cles&nbsp;: inquisition, cl\u00e9ricalisme de pouvoir, affaire Galil\u00e9e, dogmatisations \u00e0 outrance, culpabilisations, ali\u00e9nations etc. Pourtant, c\u2019est gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 la structure eccl\u00e9siale que le message et l\u2019histoire de J\u00e9sus se sont transmis jusqu\u2019\u00e0 nous, jusqu\u2019\u00e0 moi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lectures de la Bible, \u00e9p\u00eetre, je n\u2019entends pas bien. \u00c0 la fin, la lectrice annonce \u00ab\u00a0Parole du Seigneur\u00a0\u00bb. S\u2019agit-il vraiment de la vraie parole de Dieu\u00a0? Les musulmans pensent pareil avec la lecture du Coran.<br>Je regarde l\u2019assembl\u00e9e, beaucoup de personnes \u00e2g\u00e9es mais aussi des gosses que je regarde tendrement et qui jouent.<br>L\u2019\u00e9vangile est lu par le pr\u00eatre, c\u2019est comme \u00e7a. Je m\u2019interroge\u00a0: de quand date la sacralisation des pr\u00eatres\u00a0?<span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_2');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_2');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_2\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">[2]<\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_2\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Le concile de Latran (1215) d\u00e9cida que seuls les pr\u00eatres pouvaient consacrer le pain et le vin.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top center', relative: true, offset: [-7, 0], });<\/script> Au temps des premiers chr\u00e9tiens, il pr\u00e9sidait juste les assembl\u00e9es.<br>Le jeune pr\u00eatre lit son sermon les yeux baiss\u00e9s, je ne le bl\u00e2me pas. Il a vingt paroisses et s\u2019il fallait qu\u2019il invente \u00e0 chaque fois, ce serait surhumain. J\u2019\u00e9coute avec mes oreilles d\u00e9faillantes, griffonne quelques mots qui me parlent pour m\u2019en souvenir apr\u00e8s la messe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Credo. Je sais qu\u2019il a \u00e9t\u00e9 institu\u00e9 par le concile de Nic\u00e9e.<span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_3');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_65227_1('footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_3');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_3\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">[3]<\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_3\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Nic\u00e9e, actuellement Iznik, en Turquie. Le concile eut lieu en juin 325 sous la f\u00e9rule de l\u2019empereur Constantin.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_3').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_65227_1_3', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top center', relative: true, offset: [-7, 0], });<\/script> Je le r\u00e9cite machinalement mais j\u2019essaye aujourd\u2019hui de discerner ce qui est de l\u2019ordre de la croyance (je crois que\u2026) et ce qui est de l\u2019ordre de la foi (je crois en\u2026 j\u2019ai confiance en&#8230;) C\u2019est r\u00e9v\u00e9lateur\u00a0!<br>C\u2019est le moment du \u00ab\u00a0canon\u00a0\u00bb. Je me repose, somnole\u00a0: je sais par c\u0153ur ce qu\u2019il faut dire \u00e0 tel moment, je l\u2019ai appris \u00e9tant enfant. Gestes rituels, pri\u00e8res rituelles qui seraient absolument incompr\u00e9hensibles pour des gens sans culture chr\u00e9tienne. D\u00e9corum\u00a0: l\u2019aube du pr\u00eatre, l\u2019autel, le cierge pascal\u2026<br>On chante. Je fredonne, tout cela est familier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cons\u00e9cration, je m\u2019interroge. L\u2019hostie contient-elle la \u00ab&nbsp;pr\u00e9sence r\u00e9elle&nbsp;\u00bb de Dieu&nbsp;? Le protestantisme croit que non. Encore un dogme qui date lui aussi du concile de Nic\u00e9e.<br>Dogme = croyance. Une croyance, c\u2019est quelque chose que l\u2019on pense vrai mais qu\u2019on ne peut pas prouver. Ou pas vrai, ce qu\u2019on ne peut pas non plus prouver.<br>J\u2019aimerais cesser de me demander si c\u2019est vrai ou pas. Mais par quoi remplacer&nbsp;? Vous avez une id\u00e9e&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La forteresse de mes dogmes a subi le tir aux boulets rouges de la modernit\u00e9. Que me reste-t-il&nbsp;? Un noyau essentiel&nbsp;: le m\u00e9lange d\u2019une croyance (J\u00e9sus est vraiment ressuscit\u00e9) et de ma foi (j\u2019ai confiance en lui).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-right\">Fran\u00e7ois Delivr\u00e9<\/p>\n<div class=\"cats\"><span class=\"cats__title\">Categories<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/category\/a-la-une\/\" rel=\"category tag\">\u00c0 la Une<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/category\/temoignages\/\" rel=\"category tag\">T\u00e9moignages<\/a><\/div><div class=\"tags\"><div class=\"tags__title\">Tags<\/div><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/tag\/basilique-saint-clement-du-latran\/\" rel=\"tag\">basilique Saint-Cl\u00e9ment-du-Latran<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/tag\/constantinople\/\" rel=\"tag\">Constantinople<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/tag\/credo\/\" rel=\"tag\">Credo<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/tag\/messe\/\" rel=\"tag\">messe<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/tag\/nicee\/\" rel=\"tag\">Nic\u00e9e<\/a><\/div><div class=\"speaker-mute footnotes_reference_container\"> <div class=\"footnote_container_prepare\"><p><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_label pointer\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_65227_1();\">Notes<\/span><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button\" style=\"display: none;\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_65227_1();\">[<a id=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_65227_1\">+<\/a>]<\/span><\/p><\/div> <div id=\"footnote_references_container_65227_1\" style=\"\"><table class=\"footnotes_table footnote-reference-container\"><caption class=\"accessibility\">Notes<\/caption> <tbody> \r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_65227_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_1');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_1\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8593;<\/span>1<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">381, concile de Constantinople.<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_65227_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_2');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_2\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8593;<\/span>2<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Le concile de Latran (1215) d\u00e9cida que seuls les pr\u00eatres pouvaient consacrer le pain et le vin.<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_65227_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_65227_1_3');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_65227_1_3\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8593;<\/span>3<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Nic\u00e9e, actuellement Iznik, en Turquie. 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Participerai-je \u00e0 la c\u00e9l\u00e9bration de Saint-Merry Hors-les-Murs\u00a0?\u00a0\u00bb Fran\u00e7ois D\u00e9livr\u00e9, un habitu\u00e9 de nos rencontres en visio du dimanche matin, nous livre son t\u00e9moignage sur la messe paroissiale.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":65233,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ghostkit_customizer_options":"","ghostkit_custom_css":"","ghostkit_custom_js_head":"","ghostkit_custom_js_foot":"","ghostkit_typography":"","spt_transcript":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_FSMCFIC_featured_image_caption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_nocaption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_hide":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[43,88],"tags":[888,1953,1357,1076,3678],"class_list":["post-65227","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-a-la-une","category-temoignages","tag-basilique-saint-clement-du-latran","tag-constantinople","tag-credo","tag-messe","tag-nicee"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/nrd-dhYVLQQ0XwE-unsplash-e1749189439886.jpg?fit=1920%2C1107&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65227","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=65227"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65227\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":65235,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65227\/revisions\/65235"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/65233"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=65227"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=65227"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saintmerry-hors-les-murs.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=65227"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}